Talent isn’t ‘just’ interest. But maybe interest is a talent

Image courtesy of One Of Us Is Lying

It’s taken me far longer than usual to write up my response to Firestarters 7, and I don’t only mean getting around to it.

If this post has ended up a bit rambly, then it’s because I’ve trying to find a way through a bunch of thoughts that seem related (at least to me), but haven’t quite settled into a comfortable shape until now.

I’ve chunked it up to order my thoughts.

This is stuff I’ve been thinking about for a while, but it’s useful to start back at Firestarters last Tuesday.

The premise

At Firestarters this week Kirby Ferguson told us that Everything Is A Remix.

Planners tend already to be either students or proponents of combinatorial creativity, so it maybe wasn’t that revelatory.

But Kirby’s story was wonderfully researched and beautifully rendered.

It was a warm bath of cultural references and a gently iconoclastic tug at that Romantic thread that stretches from Beethoven to Dylan to the modern-day ECD.

He believes that creativity is more a function of discovery than it is imagination, and can therefore be accessed by anyone.

New ideas are already contained within familiar ideas. They are revealed through an unending and exponential process of re-contextualisation, waiting to be chanced upon by those curious and insatiable enough to copy, transform or combine what already exists.

Kirby’s apparently throwaway phrase “talent is simply interest” seemed initially to encapsulate his position.

On reflection it has also been his most contentious statement.

I liked it at first. It was provocative. I’ve defended it on Twitter. But some very smart people have questioned it as an over-simplistic reduction and I’d be foolish to ignore them.

Because new ideas don’t just happen.

Creative people do need something other than a pre-disposition to smash disparate elements together in the hope of something new.

As an MEC colleague said to me afterwards, someone can be as interested as they like in becoming a singer, but without the talent it simply won’t happen.

And, as Phil has argued, there is more to idea creation than mere curiosity in things that already exist.

So, to concede the point formally, talent ISN’T just interest.

But perhaps, to flip the phrase, interest is actually a talent.

This feels to me like it has more value in achieving what Kirby wants to do – which is to elevate interest, not do down talent.

What do I mean?

Three reasons interest might be a talent

First, while creativity is a process which can be identified and described, taught and applied, I believe that interest (or curiosity) is more of an impulse, a behaviour.

It comes from within and is difficult to inculcate.

That could make it a talent, couldn’t it?

Second, interest has a qualitative side to it.

Some people are just better at it than others. They’re interested in more things, in more diverse areas.

We are all of us now curators and combiners of the world around us.

We are all natural remixers. We curate, combine and re-contextualise everything.

We curate our own music albums, TV schedules, photos and films.

We share, link to, pin, filter and tumble things we like, things we don’t like, things we want people to think we like.

We effectively curate our own lives for others through the way we represent it digitally.

And, to quote The Incredibles, if everyone’s special, then no-one is.

So if we’re going to do this stuff professionally then we’d better be better at it than everyone else.

Which is presumably what we mean when we look for people who are talented at spotting trends and patterns (as opposed to fads and stuff on our own doorstep).

Third, and most importantly, while it’s never been easier to catch hold of new and interesting stuff via the internet, the very abundance of information now places a premium on the variety and quality of stimulus that you choose to play with.

As the internet’s ‘filter bubble’ continues to exert its influence, it becomes ever hard to, in Maria Popova’s words,

leave room for abstract knowledge and for the kind of curiosity that invites just enough serendipity to allow for the discovery of ideas we didn’t know we were interested in until we are

Coincidentally, on Wednesday, the day after Firestarters, Radio 4 broadcast a lecture from Maria called The Architecture of Knowledge, on just this subject. The introduction hailed her as someone who can help guide us through a world where “everything’s available and nothing’s obvious.”

Digging deeper, further out, is the only choice we have if we want to get beyond the supposed wisdom of friends.

And this is why interest is a talent.

Really? Who says? (Part 1)

There’s a few useful comparison arguments to draw on.

While it feels like a default setting for most planners and creative types, curiosity – and the impulse to curate the world – requires commitment, inventiveness and something else innate, not particularly definable.

In fact, the line between creativity and what we might as well submit to calling ‘curatorship’ is becoming impossibly blurred.

In a key phrase, Maria says in her lecture that

the quality of our creative output depends on the breadth and diversity of those mental resources.

This requires what she calls ‘associative indexing’ – the meta-data of memory, information and stimulus of any kind that enters our realm.

She quotes Charles Eames, who said that “everything eventually connects” given time. (So Kirby’s Remix idea isn’t new – but then, he has his defence built-in.)

Eames said that what counts is the quality of connections.

And the convergence of knowledge across multiple domains.

So, curiosity feels like something we should celebrate.

But perhaps more precisely, we should celebrate the discernment and creativity with which people pursue their curiosity.

This is central to why flipping Kirby’s contentious phrase started to help me work out why I’d been so attracted to it.

First, I’ve realised I believe that taste matters. And it matters more than ever.

Second, most exploration and curatorship is largely pointless at the time we find things out, because the application of knowledge is largely unpredictable.

We don’t know when and why the most fruitful collisions of ideas will take place.

It’s a great irony, but in order to put knowledge to use, we have to spend our lives continually acquiring entirely useless knowledge.

That kind of vision beyond the immediate here and now is also something you could call talent.

Really? Who says? (Part 2)

Kirby used some musical examples at Firestarters. In thinking about this post I’ve been thinking again about the creativity in hip-hop and how it offers a fantastic model for what I’m talking about.

Hip-hop’s magpie mentality made for innovative music that existed entirely of re-contextualised recorded performances. Records are comprised not composed; lifetimes’ worth of listening with the snippets and shards of other people’s are re-imagined to make something new.

Paul’s Boutique. Three Feet High And Rising. It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back.

But more than that, hip-hop had built in its own ‘discernment curve’.

Because fresh sources of inspiration were imperative. Ever more esoteric and imaginative samples became re-contextualised. Interests that had originally had nothing to do with being a hip-hop fan became relevant, valuable.

Not for nothing was there an underground collective called Diggin’ In The Crates - that was the literal job in hand.

Influences became more disparate. The domains got more diverse.

Like Shaolin Kung-Fu philosophy, movie soundtracks, library music.

Or this, for example.

You”ll remember Sour Times by Portishead.

Well, now check out this piece of incidental music from the Mission Impossible TV series. It’s by  Lalo Schiffrin. Listen to the first 10 seconds, and the five seconds that start at 1m 33s.

Sounds inevitable now, doesn’t it? But spotting the potential of those two breaks takes time, skill, recall and a breadth of soundtrack knowledge.

Of course, it requires the kind of creative ‘diagonal’ leap that Phil talks about.

But you have to be listening in the first place.

You have to listen to enough music, first of all, to know that using it would be ‘new’. You also need to listen to enough source music to know what will work and what won’t. Most of us think in relative terms, and artistic innovation is no different.

In short, it takes the sort of attention and interest you can only call talent.

Joining it together, sort of

Appropriately, the last question from the floor on Tuesday night was about an idea from Simon Reynolds’ Retromania. It came from Glyn.

(Digression: as a fellow Reynolds nut I introduced myself to Glyn immediately. It’s the sort of lovely serendipity for which I’ve come to cherish Firestarters.)

The question was about the diminishing quality of remixes in a culture where remixing has been made easy.

Joining the dots to all this, I went back to something Brian Eno said, quoted by Reynolds in Retromania. In a 1922 interview for Artforum, Eno said this:

“Curatorship is arguably the big new job of our times: it is the task of re-evaluating, filtering, digesting, and connecting together. In an age saturated with new artifacts and information, it is perhaps the curator, the connection maker, who is the new storyteller, the meta-author.”

This is Eno’s vision of the artist as “the connector of things”, analogous to “the editor, the compiler and the anthologist.”

The contemporary artist is someone who

“perpetuates a great body of received cultural and stylistic assumptions, he re-evaluates and re-introduces certain ideas no longer current, and then he also innovates.”

This is the line between curatorship and creativity blurred forever.

Does this mean that ‘diagonal’ thinking is less needed? No, of course not.

But the more self-conscious our remixing tendencies, the more judicious and discerning our connection points need to be.

We need to become connoisseurs at curating our chosen realm of culture.

In hip-hop/music terms, very few have been better at this than Massive Attack. Not for nothing did The Guardian recently call Blue Lines the blueprint of UK music.

And, of course, their own magpie brilliance makes them ripe for deeper engagement in the information age.

Because you can now hear directly where their inspiration came from, thanks to Spotify and other, ‘interested’ listeners.

In other words, the curated, curated.

Ego, process and the habit of creativity


Visiting the Tate Picasso exhibition recently, it hit me how ego and creativity are inextricably linked.

Faced with such genius, it became obvious how maintaining the creative urge – and feeling like you’ve fulfilled it – is often a curious mix of intense intoxication and deep inadequacy.

Not least because what inspires you can dwarf your own efforts.

Happily, this time at least, I came away suitably inspired. It wasn’t just Picasso’s radicalism, his influence, the way he made us see the world anew that got me  (though it was mainly that). What was also awe-inspiring was the vast range of styles and the sheer volume of work of which Picasso was capable.

These seem like rather obvious things to point out about a giant of 20th century art. Nothing damns like the faint praise of admiring someone’s ‘prolific’ output.

But the ability to just keep doing it, the habit of creativity, has always been attractive to me. And among the contemporary artefacts was an edition of the Cahier D’Arts, the bible of art criticism. Two excerpts of a 1960s essay leaped out at me. They centred Picasso’s creativity in his ability as a stylist, suggesting it was precisely his comfort in many styles that propelled him to such a prodigious body of work.

I managed to sneak a couple of photos, but don’t tell anyone.

This first excerpt leapt out at me: “if you have a strong enough conception of life it will not matter…whether you [paint] in one manner or another”.

The exhibition genuinely captured Picasso’s “all penetrating vision” and made it clear the adopted style was secondary. For many artists the style is their identity; for Picasso it was merely the means to a more expressive end.

But the second excerpt nailed it: “the uncertainty as to which direction to choose paralyses most men with hesitation, but it has proved Picasso’s most powerful motor. He flings himself into each new course, as though that alone were worth his faith

A revelation

Reading this was a revelation.

It hit me that a style, or an approach, is only that – merely a way to arrive at the problem.

‘Flinging ourselves into each new course’ is what allows us to make the approach work, not the approach itself. We can’t all share Picasso’s genius, but we can all practise the art of committing fully. It shows again how critical it is simply to start, and to keep on starting.

Procrastination, not inability, is the killer of creativity. We need to pick a form, or a process, and trust in it. Submit to it. If it turns out to be wrong, very well. Chances are something will have come of the attempt, and last time I looked something is still better than nothing.

True creativity, I think, is habit. It isn’t self-conscious. It doesn’t worry about being wrong, or looking silly. It wins out over self-doubt.

The day after Picasso I was listening to David Bowie’s Low.

I feel I should add that this is not an uncommon occurrence.

The radicalism of Side 2 struck me, in contrast to the music of  Bowie’s career so far, and to the music on Side 1 of the same album.

A true stylist, Bowie’s music isn’t dependent on sounding like Bowie. Its innate Bowie-ness will “shine through”, just as Picasso’s vision does whether he’s sketching or painting, aping the Impressionists or stretching the limits of Cubism.

Equally, Bowie trusts in his chosen forms – it’s probably what made Low possible. He was coming off the back of a period of writer’s block, so Side 1 is full of fragments and broken English because that’s how he felt. Side 2 was constructed, rather than written. Bowie and his collaborator Brian Eno actively chose to discard work that was well-realised, but familiar. Instead they looked for  the accidents and mistakes from which they would build new ideas. That was their chosen MO and they stuck to it, and in so doing they uncovered work they would never had got to otherwise.

I love the boldness of this approach. A huge star with writer’s block still has the the confidence in his process and his artistry to actually throw stuff away in search of  innovative work. He doesn’t really know what he wants,  but it needs to be new.

Sounds like something we could do with in advertising.

We’re not artists in advertising, of course. We don’t follow a muse, or have to rely on our own motivation in the same way. An artist’s decision to adopt a new style is to create stimulus or constraints. Our stimulus is set for us (the brief), so we have something to react to.

In advertising, though, we also have to keep someone else happy. The brief often comes with a deadline, and we frequently have to work hard against our instinct to find ‘the’ answer, as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Why work against it? Because there isn’t always only one answer. And because better answers come from finding new ways in to the problem. And because making a habit of digging deeper helps make innovation a habit too, rather than something we’d like to aim for now and again.

What worked for Bowie/Eno was just to keep going. What might seem entirely profligate (discarding good work) is actually a potent way of uncovering untapped ideas.

David Shrigley recently came to speak to MEC.

He told us that he only ever keeps 25% of anything he makes. I wondered about the impact that has on your mindset not just after the creative process, when you’re editing.but during and before it, too.  If you know ¾ of what you make will eventually be binned, the filters come off. You are freer just to get stuff down on paper, and more able to worry less about it being ‘right’.

Anyone who’s been in a brainstorm or idea workshop knows the obvious needs to be extracted quickly to get to the gnarly and sometimes scary job of suggesting riskier, less heard/thought ideas. You may not be actively prioritising the mistakes, like Bowie did, but you’re setting the conditions for surprising ideas to emerge from further within your mind, and from the group.

You’re also less likely to be easily satisfied with what you come up with. I suspect a lot of us in advertising are quite self-satisfied. Putting undue pressure on ourselves is clearly A Good Thing, even though it might be uncomfortable.

Especially if it’s uncomfortable.

What I like about the Bowie and Shrigley models is that they aren’t precious in any way. They acknowledge the reality of creativity – that a lot of you what you come up with will be rubbish – and thereby detach the ego, at least for the important bit.

I received another lesson in this approach when I met Bill Buxton recently. I was lucky enough to be invited to a dinner at which Bill spoke, by Microsoft (where Bill is principal researcher). He spoke eloquently and widely about technology, design, creativity, music, computing and, er, canoeing.

Before dinner I found myself in conversation with Bill about UX and sketching. Turns out he has a profound belief in sketching as a principle. Not just pencil drawing, but a more generic approach to low resolution prototyping. This could encompass photography, modelling, CGI, video, whatever. He’s even written a book on it.

He went on to tell me that he instructs his teams not to come to him with proposed solutions unless they have seven – yes, seven – different designs to share. Not only that, but they had to be seven different solutions about which you felt equally positive (or negative). Having one obvious winner and six less favourable options was not a way round this.

Why was this? Partly the focus on such a broad output from each team member yielded far greater opportunity for new ideas.

But the real reason was it made the evaluation of ideas more constructive. As the designer you’re more likely to defend those ideas you like, with a less objective eye. As the team leader it’s very difficult to evaluate the design without making the designer feel implicated – if you’re judging across a team egos need to be left at the door. Being obliged to have seven ideas makes it almost impossible to have a favourite.

So what can we do with all this?

Here’s some of the methods I’ve tried to apply to the way I work. They’re not exhaustive, but as this is all stuff that’s been flying round my head for a while, I’ve found it helpful to organise it into something (hopefully) coherent.

  1. Find 2 or 3 approaches to a creative problem that never fail to get you started. Whether it’s just you or a group, try to get used to techniques that you can throw into the mix that just get things moving. I always find a book, ask someone to pick a page number at random and read out the first word. Then I people to word associate till I have 5 or 6  words, which become the springboard for answering the question on the table. Totally arbitrary, and gives everyone permission to disown their first thoughts –  a crucial step in leaving the ego behind.
  2.  Don’t just do the usual. Making creativity a habit doesn’t mean allowing routine to seep in. Get out somewhere. Find a different location. Use different people. Work in a different medium. Only draw your ideas. Give yourself a time limit. Whatever it is, it doesn’t matter – creativity requires constraints and new contexts, so create them for yourself.
  3. Define ideas more holistically, but develop more of them. Somewhere between the level of post-it vagueness and finely honed engagement idea is a world of lost opportunities. We all know the difference between a potent post-it idea and a dull one – get in the habit of sifting good stuff as you go. Make the 60 seconds’ worth of effort it takes to work out whether you can extrapolate something interesting/huge/rich out of the good ones and seeing how else you could build on them. I love the work that John is doing in this space.
  4. Practice facilitating groups as well as being part of them. It’s hard investing of yourself in service of an idea while remaining dispassionate about its qualities. Acquiring the skills of being a participant well as a facilitator keeps you leap seamlessly from big picture to critical detail in the moment. Knowing how to continue ploughing a particular creative furrow while ensuring the thinking remains clear and relevant.
  5. Look for the stuff that everyone else takes for granted. There’s a great Eno quote about what Bowie was reacting against with Low.  ”Nobody wants you to step off the tracks and start looking round in the scrub around the edges because nobody can see anything promising there.” What is everyone discarding that could become invaluable? What’s happening at the extremes? What always comes up that has become wallpaper but with fresh eyes might reveal new potential?
  6. Risk feeling inadequate. Most of this post is based on recognising the parallels between people I admire, in different fields (art, music, technology) and being inspired by it. But sometimes we don’t like to, because brilliant people can be intimidating. We can also worry about other people thinking we’re weird for trying new stuff. We shouldn’t. Any agency not rewarding/enabling this kind of behaviour should be viewed with disdain. (The current series of Mad Men portrays genuine creative ambitions in acting and writing looked down upon by people who don’t understand them, and I’m not always convinced we’ve come that far).
  7. Don’t fear an idea changing.  ‘Eureka’ moments can be as misleading as they are exciting. Perhaps the best image I know is (I think) Wittgenstein’s rope of multiple overlapping threads. None of the threads extend over the rope’s full length, yet they still form a single cord. Ideas can emerge in such a way that the final thought might not have even made contact with the first, but the chain is what gets you there. Always think about how each idea could be a platform to the next (and possibly better) one.

Writing this, I’ve started to see how balancing instinct and persistence is central to the creative impulse.

Like with Bowie, whose songs would form their identity by discarding the elements with which he’d begun.

Or Shrigley, who knows that creativity is about pushing though and editing later, because the long haul is as important as the flash of inspiration.

Or like with Buxton, who knows that designs can only be collaborative if individuals are happy to let go of their own stuff.

Or, of course, with Picasso, who knew that being prolific was the key to articulating whatever it was you wanted to say.

Ignorance – not necessarily bliss, but maybe empowering

I love this quote from Paul Morley about dubstep: “At last I’ve heard a form of music I really don’t understand. I don’t understand who makes it, why they’re doing it, and who’s listening to it. That’s what I’ve been waiting for.”

It comes from a brief article by Brian Eno in Prospect about the unpredictably of the future (online edition here).  Specifically, it’s on how we cannot imagine right now what shape the future will take. The forces that will fashion the paradigm shift that inevitably awaits are incredibly difficult to predict – or even identify – until they’ve wrought their changes.

To make matters more head-spinning, that change seems to be accelerating. YouTube is only five years old. Hard to imagine a world without it now…  The rise of Facebook has been so rapid, that anyone who claims to have recognised Mark Zuckerberg’s dogged aspirations to be part of the in-crowd as the harbinger of a network encompassing nearly 10% of the world’s population being on facebook is probably lying.

Technological change that might have unfolded over a decade during the 19th century can now make its impact felt within a year. But the fact that we can so viscerally feel the change happening around us doesn’t make us any more able to understand and re-evaluate those forces of change, let alone predict their implications.

If anything, it makes idiots of us all. Like the music industry desperately trying to precision-market the soundtrack to our lives with accelerating freqency, lining up a succession of Next Big Things, the point is being missed.

There’s two pretty big reasons those trying to bring about the future will never get it right

  1. We’ll decide, thanks. The idea of a top-down revolution is an oxymoron – this model of change never existed because it makes no sense. Everything comes from ground level.
  2. Alchemy is accidental. We simply cannot account for the right conditions for change. That we persistently re-visit moments of change to explain them leaves us all with the impression that we could have predicted them, though. This is the Black Swan theory – check Nassim Nicholas Taleb’s book for more on this.

But, the chance to be the one who ‘saw what was going to happen’ is an intoxicating idea. I think it’s a factor in everything from dotcom investment bubbles to the way colleagues constantly try and appear ahead of the game by sending you links to plugged-in sites like Mashable and Digital Buzz Blog. (I afraid I’m also one of those people.)

Because you never know, anything happening right now, whether in the margins, or in the mainstream, could be the one that profoundly affects our lives for the next 50 years. And it could be you who’s the one to go on and make a mint from it; you who your colleagues will forever remember as the one who first brought it their attention.

But this need to be (or rather, appear) a step ahead remains a foolish one. We merely pretend that we understand the narrative, that we somehow have special access to something, that we have the capability to appreciate the dialectic of change.

And we don’t.

Far better, not to say easier, to take Paul Morley’s approach. And empowering, too, since it divests us of the responsibility to know everything, all the time.

It’s amazing how liberating it can feel to say ‘I don’t know’.

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